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Post by Royal » Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:04 pm

To what capacity do we measure and determine an animals placement on the dinner menu?

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Re: Flesh

Post by lkwalker » Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:37 am

English, please.
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Re: Flesh

Post by Pigeon » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:42 am

Some would say, "if you can catch it, it's dinner'.

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Re: Flesh

Post by Royal » Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:44 am

lkwalker wrote:English, please.
How did we decide which animals are food?

Pigeon wrote:Some would say, "if you can catch it, it's dinner'.


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Re: Flesh

Post by Pana » Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:54 am

Great question! According to Jared Diamond, it's these factors which determined what animals were bred:


Flexible diet — Creatures that are willing to consume a wide variety of food sources and can live off less cumulative food from the food pyramid (such as corn or wheat), particularly food that is not utilized by humans (such as grass and forage) are less expensive to keep in captivity. Carnivores by definition feed primarily or only on animal tissue, which requires the expenditure of many animals, though they may exploit sources of meat not utilized by humans, such as scraps and vermin.

Reasonably fast growth rate — Fast maturity rate compared to the human life span allows breeding intervention and makes the animal useful within an acceptable duration of caretaking. Large animals such as elephants require many years before they reach a useful size.

Ability to be bred in captivity — Creatures that are reluctant to breed when kept in captivity do not produce useful offspring, and instead are limited to capture in their wild state. Creatures such as the panda, antelope and giant forest hog are territorial when breeding and cannot be maintained in crowded enclosures in captivity.

Pleasant disposition — Large creatures that are aggressive toward humans are dangerous to keep in captivity. The African buffalo has an unpredictable nature and is highly dangerous to humans; similarly, although the American bison is raised in enclosed ranges in the US West, it is much too dangerous to be regarded as truly domesticated. Although similar to the domesticated pig in many ways, the American peccary and Africa's warthog and bushpig are also dangerous in captivity. However one must keep in mind that most (if not all) modern large domestic animals were descendants of extremely aggressive ancestors. The wild boar, ancestor of the domestic pig, is certainly renowned for its ferocity; other examples include the aurochs (ancestor of modern cattle), horse, Bactrian camels and yaks, all of which are no less dangerous than their undomesticated wild relatives such as zebras and buffalos. On the other hand for thousands of years humans have managed to tame dangerous species like the elephants, bears and cheetahs whose failed domestications had little to do with their aggressiveness.

Temperament which makes it unlikely to panic — A creature with a nervous disposition is difficult to keep in captivity as it may attempt to flee whenever startled. The gazelle is very flighty and it has a powerful leap that allows it to escape an enclosed pen. Some animals, such as the domestic sheep, still have a strong tendency to panic when their flight zone is encroached upon. However, most sheep also show a flocking instinct, whereby they stay close together when pressed. Livestock with such an instinct may be herded by people and dogs.

Modifiable social hierarchy — Social creatures that recognize a hierarchy of dominance can be raised to recognize a human as the pack leader.
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Re: Flesh

Post by Royal » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:14 am

Pana wrote:Great question! According to Jared Diamond, it's these factors which determined what animals were bred:


Flexible diet — Creatures that are willing to consume a wide variety of food sources and can live off less cumulative food from the food pyramid (such as corn or wheat), particularly food that is not utilized by humans (such as grass and forage) are less expensive to keep in captivity. Carnivores by definition feed primarily or only on animal tissue, which requires the expenditure of many animals, though they may exploit sources of meat not utilized by humans, such as scraps and vermin.

Reasonably fast growth rate — Fast maturity rate compared to the human life span allows breeding intervention and makes the animal useful within an acceptable duration of caretaking. Large animals such as elephants require many years before they reach a useful size.

Ability to be bred in captivity — Creatures that are reluctant to breed when kept in captivity do not produce useful offspring, and instead are limited to capture in their wild state. Creatures such as the panda, antelope and giant forest hog are territorial when breeding and cannot be maintained in crowded enclosures in captivity.

Pleasant disposition — Large creatures that are aggressive toward humans are dangerous to keep in captivity. The African buffalo has an unpredictable nature and is highly dangerous to humans; similarly, although the American bison is raised in enclosed ranges in the US West, it is much too dangerous to be regarded as truly domesticated. Although similar to the domesticated pig in many ways, the American peccary and Africa's warthog and bushpig are also dangerous in captivity. However one must keep in mind that most (if not all) modern large domestic animals were descendants of extremely aggressive ancestors. The wild boar, ancestor of the domestic pig, is certainly renowned for its ferocity; other examples include the aurochs (ancestor of modern cattle), horse, Bactrian camels and yaks, all of which are no less dangerous than their undomesticated wild relatives such as zebras and buffalos. On the other hand for thousands of years humans have managed to tame dangerous species like the elephants, bears and cheetahs whose failed domestications had little to do with their aggressiveness.

Temperament which makes it unlikely to panic — A creature with a nervous disposition is difficult to keep in captivity as it may attempt to flee whenever startled. The gazelle is very flighty and it has a powerful leap that allows it to escape an enclosed pen. Some animals, such as the domestic sheep, still have a strong tendency to panic when their flight zone is encroached upon. However, most sheep also show a flocking instinct, whereby they stay close together when pressed. Livestock with such an instinct may be herded by people and dogs.

Modifiable social hierarchy — Social creatures that recognize a hierarchy of dominance can be raised to recognize a human as the pack leader.
So from these factors, there is a high probability everyone is missing out on some really good burger meat. I'm surprised to see religion not make the list as hindu's are not suppose to eat cow and muslims are not suppose to eat pork.

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Re: Flesh

Post by Pigeon » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:40 am

Buffalo burgers...

Specific Religion is not observed by all so it is not in the list. A deal breaker by belief only.

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Re: Flesh

Post by Royal » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:58 am

Pigeon wrote:Buffalo burgers...
*looking online for buffalo burgers in San Diego

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Re: Flesh

Post by Royal » Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:00 am

Ostrich and gator Burgers. ;)

http://crazeeburger.com/

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Re: Flesh

Post by Pana » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:47 pm

You can get bison burgers here. Along with elk. (By the way, buffalo's are in Africa. It's bison that roam North America).

This list is based on the evolutionary development of homo sapiens about 10,000 years ago. Religion, if we can make a guess, at the time was more than likely based on a nature worship/interaction. The development of 'gods' came at a far later date.
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